We are aware that a sudden and drastic update to some small but very important space symbols may have inherently vaporized several trillions of ISK from the economy. As pilots undocked expecting their familiar foes to be square brackets and crosses they unexpectedly came under attack by chevrons, diamonds, and house-shaped adversaries armed to the teeth. Some were so spooked and disoriented they began to fire on any geometric symbols in their vicinity. Others believed they were being attacked by their own warp bubbles and returned fireGǪ Those that managed to adapt quickly in the early days of the great Iconocalypse of 2015 certainly profited handsomely from the confusion it sowed.

But in New Eden space is merciless, and change is ever-present.

See this guys runs level 4s and if i ran level 4s i would love these changes too but i dont i pvp and in a 500 man fight these changes dont work.

we are hateful because CCP

1) introduces stuff
2) gets plenty of feedback
3) ignores all feedback, publishes stuff to TQ
4) gets even more negative feedback
5) ignores that too
6) flips us all a big proverbial finger

we happen to pay for this stuff, and what we get is shite quality product that fails to deliver. And this happens time, after time, after time.

It wasn't. it was a wall of technical analysis 2-3 pages long.

Now with so much negative feed back on it they issue a half-hearted apology with a big "F. YOU! If you don't like it or agree with us." Tacked on the end of it.

You are reading a different devblog than I do.
Then again, I have not see you post a SINGLE time in the other topic. All 90 pages of it. You have clearly missed the detailed feedback objective feedback that was forwarded to CCP. You have also clearly missed the amount of feedback on the sisi topic regarding the icons. You also pretty much ignore the positive things FROM the same people who heavily criticized the new icon set. And you... well. It seems you're not actually understanding a single thing about this entire fiasco?

Ok, so before you said that, did you spend countless hours and evenings testing and providing objective feedback or developing improved alternatives over the last several months? And after you spent those many many hours doing CCP's work to have them utterly ignore it and release with full abandon only to say you were wrong?

They do stuff that is not important at all and confuses people.
Old icons were perfect and there was no need for new icons, but hey they have to do something because they're payed to do something, even if it means doing stuff that is not important at all just so they can say hey look we did something.

But yea new icons look terrible and people don't like it, but still they will ignore all the feedback and say we did something.

Yea, and npc looks almost the same as a player, very adaptable.

Im sorry but the current icons cant be improved. Icons by their very nature are supposed to be useful at a glance. Any decent icon system, is simple by design. To avoid information overload, you want a limited number of icons that only convey important information. CCP has decided to slap icons on everything and in their wisdom have decided to make it so that they are tiny and all basically similar to each other. The important information is lost is a sea of clutter. On the other hand, the old icons worked almost perfectly, giving you the exact information you needed to fly well - relative ship size, whether the ship was friend/foe, and npc or player. And get off your fanboi highhorse. CCP screwed the pooch on this one.

The premise for the system is logically valid, but what if the chosen concept style is not?

Everyone, for one reason or another. You dont want to run into a gate with 5 drifters on it. You dont want to gas and miss sleepers spawning.

And you, good sir, should stop posting and embarrassing yourself further. Go re-read the linked technical analysis, looks like you havent picked up anything from it.

You can fanboi all you want, and keep telling the rest of us how nice the view is from way up there on your high horse. When you finally put your visor up, you'll see us down here shooting statues.

Hes not slow, hes just a troll, he gets off this. It was explained to him back on page 3 what this is about. Just ignore him, maybe he will go away into general discussion and sperg there.

Well, number 1 and most importantly is that we are the consumer. If you place a product out that your consumer doesn't like than they are not going to pay for it. They get paid by the money that we pay to play the game....so your whole first part of your argument is invalid.

Number 2...I am in aerospace simulation. I repair and modify 30 million dollar full flight motion simulator that are used to train licensed pilot that need to maintain their certifications with FAA, EASA, and a ton of other regulatory aerospace agencies. In doing so the consumer pays a large amount of cash each year to train with us. In this company we take any and all customer feedback very seriously, and not just on the simulator part of training. We listen to every aspect of their visit and adjust ourselves to fit to the consumers desires. It is that level of customer satisfaction that has allowed us to pull in revenue of over 1 billion yearly.

I think that CCP really needs to start stepping up their game when it comes to consumer relationship and customer satisfaction. They need to listen to us and come up with a good icon system that is usable, functional, and customizable to a player's preference.

Any feedback is good starting point for this. From " I don't like this for XYZ reasons" to the simple "I hate the new UI".
This should have been done in the testing phase and they didn't listen. It be like a TV producer making a pilot, then the panel members majority hate it, so he signs the show for a 6 season run....then wondering why no one watches.

Not sure why you are fighting so hard to defend something that others don't like, but that is your choice, but it is my choice to disagree and ask for something else. ..we are both paying customers.

I have a sneaky suspicion hes got skin in the game.

No kills, so sits in station since 2012. If scammer then he is simply trolling here for lols, otherwise, a dormant alt of CCP dev, defending himself anonymously? No respect in either case.

EDIT - eve who says char has been recycled. scammer or ganker, then. recycling for ganks is a bannable offence, btw...

Like you did several times, throwing around names and calling people children?

You're not even a good troll. 0/10.

Well. You could have had it. If the forum engine wasn't a pile of poo and supported questionnaries.

But since the forum engine is a pile of poo, you have to use some outside tools. The story of CCP life, more or less.

There is, for example, a questionnary on the eve-ru.com (the de-facto main RU forum on EVE online, because it does not suck. Both feature and moderation wise). There's a link to it in the previous thread. It shows roughly 60% dissatisfied with the new icons, 8% unaligned and the rest positive.

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Well, nobody else even tried to attempt to get at least some numbers. All you guys do is chant the "you are the vocal minority" mantra. Get a more representative survey then. Unfortunately it's not exactly possible unless you are CCP. Since there's no common place where enough EVE players gather.

Finally, some response to a CSM Member, too little too late, where were you on the Sisi Feedback Tread, the General Feedback threadnaught?

Who do you think you are telling a Dev how to do his job? It's what he us paid for.

ROFL... I couldn't help it, welcome to the complaining side.

Dev alt spotted

http://imgur.com/lMAkjjX

The solution that I would like to see the most is to allow us to use custom colors on each icon that represents a ship type. If that was available, I could care less what shape the icon is, my color coded overview would tell me what I need to know. (ps: sorting by color should also be implemented to make it even more awesome)

@Cleanse

Your idea of color coding ships is not what I was talking about.

Frigs would be ...- pink .....
Destroyers - orange
Cruisers - navy

etc

corp/alliance/fleet I do not need to see in my overview, everything else is something I can shoot at.

If I am logi, I don't need to see the enemy in overview.

Wow, man! Thats the constructive feedback!
Very accurate and intuitive conception.
Be good if people like you worked with CCP.

Btw, someone spoke about that people who dont like new icons are few, but here is the poll from russian eve-forum about new patch which tells different (http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?showtopic=113538)

In short (from top to bottom):
1&2 lines - pro (~23% combined)
3 line - neutral (~8%)
3&4 lines - contra (~69%)

To completely prevent any speculations, it is need to make a poll here, of course.

omg, please just shut up or take some statistics classes

1. you dont always need "representative" polls to get first ideas for current trends .... if actually someplace 700 people of a niche game like Eve raise their voices only a complete moron wouldnt take that as a strong hint for a trend.

2. unlike of what you claim, surveys are NOT "generally made among 1000 people" - the numbers depend on the population you want to talk about and the questions you want to look into. If you take a look at common market research you-¦ll find studies that claim to be representative that consist of 1000 - 2000 people that draw conclusions about a population of several tens of millions.

If some research institute or company could have answers from 700 people from a population less than 200.000 they would actually lick their fingers for such data.

3. a concept like " whole Eve Online player feelings" doesnt exist in reality (but it's best troll tradition to ask for something non-existant lol) - at best you can find trends for certain subgroups in a diverse game like this.

And if suddenly a "subgroup" of 700 voices pops up in your little niche game, while at the same time you loose another 10% of your gametraffic ........ well, how braindead can a company become before it goes **** up?

Something I thought of regarding the new icons and the amount of GÇÿclutterGÇÖ when in space due to the amount of icons now visible when undocked.

At the moment just about every icon for every item on grid (and in some cases beyond) is displayed when in space. This is fine as we can right click an icon and GÇÿadd to overviewGÇÖ so they are displayed in the overview.

So, how about if we had a tick box to reverse this and only displayed icons that are selected in the current overview tab?

Then we could have a sort of GÇÿdisplay everythingGÇÖ or GÇÿdisplay only overview iconsGÇÖ when in space.

This could also be enhanced further by adding a GÇÿshiftGÇÖ tick box to allow shifting from one set of 5 tabs to a second set.

Would anything like this help or am I just shooting rainbows?

Thank you, I thought it was possible but damned if I could remember how, I knew you had a key combo to turn all brackets on/off but forgot about the GÇÿLoad bracketsGÇÖ in the overview.

Perhaps they should change it to GÇÿDisplay IconsGÇÖ now lol.

Thanks again I will have a play on SiSi and see if it helps with my colour blind problems and not seeing the incoming hostiles.